Subject: Re: Clay Shaw clandestine connections and guilt revealed [sic]
Date: 30 Jul 1999 08:49:25 GMT
From: dreitzes@aol.com (Dave Reitzes)
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk

>From: Robert Miller miller@slip.net
>
>  [Now Paris Flammonde went into some detail with Shaw,

Flammonde's sources are extremely suspect. Much research is currently in
progress on that subject, as newsgroup denizens will hear about within a
couple
of months. A *very* preliminary study (with a few obvious errors) was
published
in *Lobster* in 1983. It is available on-line at:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/lobster.htm

as did the Torbitt
>Document.

The so-called Torbitt Document, written by Penn Jones' lawyer, David
Copeland,
is a work of fiction, based primarily on an indiscriminate conglomeration of
sources from the Garrison files.

>There were International Trade Marts all over the place.

The International Trade Mart of New Orleans (now called the World Trade
Center
of New Orleans) is generally not affiliated with other organizations with
similar names. You can read about the ITM's current doings at their Web
site:
http://www.wtc-no.org/

If
>I recall wasn't the Banco Delavorno (sic),

??

 the washer woman for Permindex
>money, also involved in the scandal of Reagan-Bush sending Dept of
>Agriculture money to Iraq?]

The most common sources for information on Centro Mondiale
Commerciale/Permindex are extremely dubious, from Ralph Schoenman's "cooked"
versions of Italian tabloid articles that were fiction to begin with, to the
Torbitt Document, to the highly imaginative *Dope, Inc.,* compiled by Lyndon
LaRouche employees.

A wise man once said. "Believe half of what you see, and none of what you
hear." That would be an overly optimistic dictum where 99% of the published
information on Centro Mondiale Commerciale and Permindex is concerned.

Dave

"Who Speaks for Clay Shaw?"
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shaw1.htm

"On 7 March 1967 *Pravda* published an article called "Clay Shaw of the CIA"
datelined Rome, 6 March 1967, written by V. YERMAKOV. The article charged
that
CIA made use of the services of Clay SHAW for CIA's own interests in Italy.
The
*Pravda* piece notes that the DA in New Orleans is accusing SHAW of
participation in the assassination conspiracy. It says SHAW spent "some
years"
in Rome as a World Trade Center leader. It claims that the Center was a
cover
for financing anti-Communist activity. [According to *Pravda,*] CIA gave
directives to SHAW. The World Trade Center was[, according to *Pravda,*] a
branch of "Permidex" (sic); "which the newspapers in Switzerland openly
accused
of 'criminal operations'. . . ." (Comment: It appears that all of the
*Pravda*
charges are untrue, [DELETED]. So far as is known, SHAW was never asked to
use
his relationship with the World Trade Center for clandestine purposes and,
in
fact, he has not been in Italy.) (CIA Memorandum No. 2, Garrison and the
Kennedy Assassination, May 8. 1967, Enclosure 21, Doc. No. 1430-492-Y, p. 4,
partially declassified December 1977).