Subject: Docs, AMKW, part 3
Date: 23 Sep 1998 18:58:58 GMT
From: mparks@cyberramp.net (Michael Parks)
Organization: CyberRamp
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk

From the files of Anna-Marie Kuhns-Walko.  All emphasis is my own.  Please
note that this man
was in the autopsy room.  Name me one nutter in this group that can speak
with the same
authority.  Enjoy,
Michael Parks

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NOTES FROM TAPED INTERVIEW
Name: Richard A. Lipsey
Date: January 18, 1978.................Began interview at 11:40 A.M.
Place: Steinberg's Sporting Goods Store, Baton Rouge, La
(Richard A. Lipsey, President)
Staff Members Present: Donald A. Purdy, Jr. and T. Mark Flanagan, Jr.

THIS MATERIAL IS ON TAPE; THESE ARE NOTES FROM THE TAPE.

Side One
1.  Aide to General Wehle - responsible for all funeral arrangements - saw
the majority of the
autopsy.

2.  Signed a document in his office - about one week later - secrecy
document pertaining to the
autopsy - 15 year period - he wished to be excluded from this agreement if
we had the power - we
explained that we wished him to cooperate on a voluntary basis and that it
was the Committee's
opinion that no harm would come to him - these orders came through his
office from a Colonel
Holden.

3.  Born on October 7, 1939 - Salma, Alabama
----Selected as an aide to General Wehle who was Commanding Officer of the
Military District of
Washington
----Activities included social activities at the White House.  Wehle, as
Senior Commanding
General of Washington, would handle all ceremonial, and military functions
in Washington.

Notes - Lipsey Interview
Page Two

4.  Met the body of President Kennedy at Andrews Air Force Base and placed
the body in a hearse
- also had a decoy hearse - flew to Bethesda by helicopter - took JFK to the
back.

5.  Jackie and family - entered the front and went upstairs to the
Presidential suite.

6.  General Wehle told him not to "leave this body".

7.  Said he often thought about the autopsy in subsequent years.

8.  Besides the doctors, Lipsey could only remember one other person in the
autopsy room - Lt.
Sam Bird, First Lieutenant - head of the Old Guard, which was always
responsible for the casket
and body in any ceremony.

9.  First autopsy he ever saw - didn't bother him at all, however.  Believes
the autopsy lasted
approximately 3-4 hours.  After that, the morticians entered - remained
there while they
prepared the body.
Wehle would come in occasionally.
Sent Wehle's car to collect some clothes at the White House for JFK.

10.  Saw JFK after he was totally dressed.  Did not recall when the x-rays
were taken.

11.  Obvious that one bullet "entered the back of the head and exited on the
right side of the
head."  TWO OTHER BULLETS ENTERED AT THE "LOWER PART OF HIS NECK" AND ONE
EXITED AND THE OTHER
BULLET HIT HIS CHEST

Notes - Lipsey Interview
Page Three

CAVITY AND TRAVELLED (sp) DOWN INTO THE BODY.  HE DOES NOT FEEL THEY EVER
FOUND THE THIRD BULLET
- IT DID NOT EXIT THE BODY.

12.  STATES THAT THE DOCTORS REMOVED ALL HIS INTESTINES - SAID THAT THE
DOCTORS SLICED THESE UP
AND TOOK PICTURES OF THESE.

13.  Remembers the doctors discussing the third bullet - went in the back of
the head and was
deflected down his chest cavity.
Does not feel they found any "whole" bullets - but just speculation.
Feels that there was no question that all the bullets came from the same
place.

SUMMARY OF HIS RECOLLECTIONS:
14.  One bullet that went in the back of the head and exited and blew away
part of the face.
The other entered at the top of the neck.
The other entered at the bottom of the neck or high back.
If you looked at JFK from the left side you couldn't notice any damage; from
the right side part
of the head was blown away.

Notes - Lipsey Interview
Page Four

The bullet that entered the lower head or upper neck came out of the front
of the neck.
ONE BULLET DID NOT COME OUT; ALL THEY TALKED ABOUT FOR TWO HOURS WAS THE ONE
BULLET.

15.  He concluded that a bullet exited from the throat because he saw where
the doctors were
working and listened to their conclusions.

16.  Cut all the organs apart in the chest region while looking for a
missile.

17.  Mentioned that Sam Bird, just after the assassination, on Tuesday or
Wednesday night, made
a tape recording of everything he had seen and done in relation to the death
of President
Kennedy.
The morticians finished the body sometime around 3 or 4 in the morning.
Took the body back to
the White House - took the body to the East Room - had a private service for
JFK.

18.  Does not recall if Bird discussed the autopsy on the tape.
Has not talked to Sam Bird since he left Washington - January, 1974.  Lived
across from each
other at Fort Myer in the Officers BOQ - was a permanent type - if Bird is
still alive, he is
probably in the Army.
Does not recall any discussion concerning the type

Notes - Lipsey Interview
Page Five

of autopsy to be performed.
Does not recall any discussions with anyone else during the autopsy either.
Said he was in position to hear the conversation of the doctors but that he
didn't always pay
close attention - interested in the parts he wanted to be interested in.

Side Two
1.  Lipsey stood approximately 12 to 15 feet from the autopsy table.
The autopsy doctors first examined the entire body.
Feel the doctors discovered all of the wounds during the preliminary
examination.
Based his recollection of the wounds on what he saw and what h heard.
Remembers seeing the blood in the throat area - all he saw was the blood.

2.  No real entrance in the REAR OF THE HEAD; feels one bullet blew away an
entire portion
(entrance and exit).
Does not recall any discussion of the nature of the bullet that caused the
head wound.
Could not recall the nature of the wound to the trachea - never got close
enough.
All he saw of the wound to the back of the head was blood.
Does not recall any discussion of the wound in the

Notes - Lipsey Interview
Page Six

throat being caused by anything other than a bullet.
Does not recall any discussion of a tracheostomy (sp) incision.

3.  Cannot recall the doctors specifically saying that the wound in the
throat was caused by a
bullet - but he feels they were convinced that a bullet exited from the
front of the neck.
Were using an angle from the entrance in the rear of the head to the throat
to look for the
other bullet that entered high in the neck.
Both entrances looked the same.
Doctors spent more time looking for the bullet that entered the lower
neck-high back than
anything else.  Recalls that they said that the bullet could have gone
anywhere.
WERE FIRMLY CONVINCED  THAT THIS BULLET DID NOT EXIT IN THE FRONT OF THE
NECK.
They probed for the path of the bullet for a short distance until they lost
the track and then
removed the organs in an attempt to find it.

4.  Cannot recall if they photographed the interior chest.
Does not recall when they took the photographs.
Does not recall if they X-rayed the lower extremities.
Recalls the doctors looking at the X-rays during the autopsy.  Related
X-rays to  things they
were doing.

Notes - Lipsey Interview
Page Seven

5.  DOES NOT RECALL ANY DISCUSSION THAT THE BULLET FELL OUT OF THE SAME
PATHWAY THAT IT ENTERED
OR ANY DISCUSSION OF CARDIAC MASSAGE.
Does not recall anyone making any calls from the autopsy room - he made a
call from the other
room - his parents - does not recall anyone else making a call from
anywhere.
DOES NOT RECALL ANY MESSAGES COMING IN FROM THE KENNEDY FAMILY.

6.  Not specifically in charge of security within the room - just had
responsibility to watch
the body.
Does not recall any orders concerning admittance to the autopsy room.
Does not recall anyone taking attendance.

7.  Does not believe the doctors returned any of the organs to the body.
The brain was one of
the organs.
FEELS THEY DID REMOVE SOME METAL FRAGMENTS FROM HIS BODY BUT HE HAS NO IDEA
WHEN OR HOW BIG THEY
WERE.
We had Lipsey diagram the wounds on a face sheet.

8. Does not recall anyone taking notes.
Does not recall any Federal agents in the room.
Does not recall anything about the reinterment of the body, or even when it
occurred.

9.  FEELS HE KNOWS "FOR A FACT" THAT JFK WAS SHOT THREE TIMES AND THAT THE
BULLETS CAME FROM
BEHIND.

Notes - Lipsey Interview
Page Eight

Definitely remembers the doctors commenting that the bullets came from the
same spot and
direction and that there WERE THREE SHOTS.
ABSOLUTELY, UNEQUIVOCALLY, THEY WERE CONVINCED THAT HE HAD BEEN SHOT THREE
TIMES.

10. On the face sheet, the blown away portion of the top side of his head
represented an
entrance and exit.
Another bullet entered the lower head and exited the throat.
ANOTHER BULLET ENTERED THE UPPER BACK AND DID NOT EXIT.
The bullet entrance in the lower head was distinctly another bullet.
NO QUESTION IN HIS MIND THAT THE DOCTORS FELT THERE WERE THREE SEPARATE
WOUNDS AND THREE
SEPARATE BULLETS.
Identified the entrance in the lower head (upper neck) as just inside the
hairline.
Has not discussed the autopsy with anyone, not even his wife.

Ended interview at 1:15 P. M.

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